Comments on: Why Open Science/Research won’t work (at least for now), first part of a long series http://blindscientist.genedrift.org/2008/11/13/why-open-scienceresearch-wont-work-at-least-for-now-first-part-of-a-long-series/ Bits of science Sun, 07 Mar 2010 12:27:44 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0-alpha hourly 1 By: Rajarshi Guha http://blindscientist.genedrift.org/2008/11/13/why-open-scienceresearch-wont-work-at-least-for-now-first-part-of-a-long-series/comment-page-1/#comment-1446 Rajarshi Guha Fri, 14 Nov 2008 12:36:23 +0000 http://blindscientist.genedrift.org/2008/11/13/why-open-scienceresearch-wont-work-at-least-for-now-first-part-of-a-long-series/#comment-1446 I've always thought of Open Science as a social process rather than a technical process (though it has technical aspects). From that point of view, the lack of a central repo of information, is certainly a bottleneck, but I doubt it's a deal-killer. In the absence of such a repo, the ideas behind Open Science will just take longer to diffuse. I’ve always thought of Open Science as a social process rather than a technical process (though it has technical aspects). From that point of view, the lack of a central repo of information, is certainly a bottleneck, but I doubt it’s a deal-killer. In the absence of such a repo, the ideas behind Open Science will just take longer to diffuse.

]]> By: Egon Willighagen http://blindscientist.genedrift.org/2008/11/13/why-open-scienceresearch-wont-work-at-least-for-now-first-part-of-a-long-series/comment-page-1/#comment-1445 Egon Willighagen Fri, 14 Nov 2008 09:25:44 +0000 http://blindscientist.genedrift.org/2008/11/13/why-open-scienceresearch-wont-work-at-least-for-now-first-part-of-a-long-series/#comment-1445 Interesting post... looking forward to the full thread. I think you can approach Open Science from various angles. The OpenScience project (where <a href="http://www.jmol.org/" rel="nofollow">Jmol</a> originated!) comes from an angle that OpenSource tools is an important step in making the data analysis in science reproducibility, and people sometimes seem to forget that data analysis is science too. On the other hand, data discovery can be seen as the first step where science should open up. This is closer to the Open Notebook Science things. I understand your confusion. Doing science involves many steps, and if you have no clue where to start doing science, it won't work. Similarly, if you have no clue where to start making your Science Open, you won't get it to work either. But that does not mean, it cannot work at all. Nice introduction, and hoping that your further analysis may trigger some thoughts on why Open Science can work. Interesting post… looking forward to the full thread.

I think you can approach Open Science from various angles. The OpenScience project (where Jmol originated!) comes from an angle that OpenSource tools is an important step in making the data analysis in science reproducibility, and people sometimes seem to forget that data analysis is science too.

On the other hand, data discovery can be seen as the first step where science should open up. This is closer to the Open Notebook Science things.

I understand your confusion. Doing science involves many steps, and if you have no clue where to start doing science, it won’t work. Similarly, if you have no clue where to start making your Science Open, you won’t get it to work either. But that does not mean, it cannot work at all.

Nice introduction, and hoping that your further analysis may trigger some thoughts on why Open Science can work.

]]> By: Paulo Nuin http://blindscientist.genedrift.org/2008/11/13/why-open-scienceresearch-wont-work-at-least-for-now-first-part-of-a-long-series/comment-page-1/#comment-1444 Paulo Nuin Fri, 14 Nov 2008 03:17:26 +0000 http://blindscientist.genedrift.org/2008/11/13/why-open-scienceresearch-wont-work-at-least-for-now-first-part-of-a-long-series/#comment-1444 Ha! That's exactly the kind of reaction I was expecting. Please read the post again, and then come back later for more, where I will prove my point based on your comment. Ha! That’s exactly the kind of reaction I was expecting. Please read the post again, and then come back later for more, where I will prove my point based on your comment.

]]> By: John http://blindscientist.genedrift.org/2008/11/13/why-open-scienceresearch-wont-work-at-least-for-now-first-part-of-a-long-series/comment-page-1/#comment-1443 John Thu, 13 Nov 2008 22:40:23 +0000 http://blindscientist.genedrift.org/2008/11/13/why-open-scienceresearch-wont-work-at-least-for-now-first-part-of-a-long-series/#comment-1443 How can you make a position on something you don't understand? How can you say something won't work when all you know if it is from a couple of Google queries? I understand from your blog post that you have a short attention span and are not willing to spend much time researching ideas, but just because you have reached the end of the amount of time you are willing to spend on understanding doesn't mean that you are reached the point at which you are read to judge that concept. How can you make a position on something you don’t understand?
How can you say something won’t work when all you know if it is from a couple of Google queries?
I understand from your blog post that you have a short attention span and are not willing to spend much time researching ideas, but just because you have reached the end of the amount of time you are willing to spend on understanding doesn’t mean that you are reached the point at which you are read to judge that concept.

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